Background:
There is a blog that I frequent located here. In fact, oneway and I are proud to link to that blog, as you can see. It is often a place of spirited debate, where one hears arguments found neither on Rush Limbaugh nor on Air America. Recently, the author made this post. I will not attempt to summarize it for fear of mischaracterizing the argument contained therein. Anyway, it was an argument I disagreed with, as is often the case at Rocket in the Bocket, but one that I was ready to step away from. Through the comments, however, the author further clarified his views and then posted a link to this editorial as further support for his argument (the post is here). At this point, in my opinion, the author crossed a line of propriety in debate. I think it is necessary to answer the arguments contained (mostly in the comments) in the entries linked above and within the editorial. To wit, this:
At the top of the list of things that I abhor about this editorial would be the outrageous selective quoting of Clarence Thomas to actually argue against a condemnation of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. It is a ruse designed to feign a middle-ground stance, a lame trick that would have gone unnoticed before the world beheld the wonders of the Internet and the great Google. In case anyone cares to read the full remarks of what Clarence Thomas said, you can do so here.
The article quotes from Clarence Thomas' speech as follows:
“If we are to be a nation of laws and not of men, judges must be impartial referees... By insulating judges from external retaliation and from internal temptations of ambition [by life appointment and irreducible salary], the framers hoped that the judiciary would be free of pressure not only from the government but also from the people.”
You know what goes in the ellipsis? I'll save you the trouble of finding it in the speech. The full sentence was:
“If we are to be a nation of laws and not of men, judges must be impartial referees who defend constitutional principles from attempts by particular interests (or even the people as a whole) to overwhelm them. “
The entire point of the speech was to argue that judges should adopt principles to reduce judicial discretion. He argues that there is a right answer in deciding law and that proper analysis and an understanding of the text (and its intended meaning at the writing of the text) will yield correct solutions to the problems judges face. To quote from this speech to actually argue against those who oppose the 9th Circuit is at best, stupid, and at worst, intentionally deceptive. That court is famous for its rulings that are often counter to common sense and the plain intent of the law. Indeed, it once had three of its rulings overturned by the Supreme Court in the same day. Is it not reasonable to ask the question about what can be done, to “petition the government for a redress of grievances?” Answer: Sure you can, but we'll have to go ahead and call you a Nazi.
Which leads to the second item on my list and the purpose behind our entire debate– namely, this incredible piece of historical analysis: “...one can’t help recalling events in 1930s Germany. The National Socialists removed judges who didn’t go along with the party program.” Is this what passes for discourse today? Am I supposed to say, “Ok, this 'counts' as a reasonable argument from a reasonable person that I would like to rebut,” and then make some reasonable argument against it? Well, unfortunately, this statement does not qualify for that category. Preparing a rebuttal argument to this statement is not only a horrible waste of time, but it also unjustly elevates the statement to the category of statements worth rebutting. That is a shame, but nevertheless, I have wasted that time below. At best, it is an intellectually lazy statement made with the false hope of being provocative and convincing a lazy reader that the author is steeped in historical knowledge. In truth, it is verbal sewage that drastically underestimates the evil of the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei). A statement like that conflates a constitutional process with the racist policies that removed many civil servants from the German government in the 1930s. A statement like that purports to draw comparison between the public hearings of duly elected representatives of a democratic republic and the despicable acts of spying and coercion perpetrated by the Gestapo. Suppose Congress acts and does actually remove a judge as is clearly within its powers under Article 2 Section 4 of the United States Constitution**?. Will the author(s) of this editorial “feel” that the Bush Administration is like the Third Reich? I am inclined to believe that he/she/they will feel that way. Well, guess what? Those “feelings” are wrong.
Finally, it is either the height of naivety or a bold attempt at sophistry to claim that the unconfirmed nominees were denied a vote because of “judicial qualifications.” It is laughable that one would even try to make such a case against Miguel Estrada. This does not imply that he was held up because of “religious beliefs,” but to make such a sweeping statement is reprehensible.
So, what is left in this editorial? Surprise! Nothing. There is no argument here.
This editorial is an example of the soft-minded mush of phrases that increasingly pass for discourse in today's world. It is rife with self-evident statements, false dichotomies, and poorly concealed slurs on the names of upstanding citizens like Miguel Estrada and Priscilla Owen.
Returning to the original comparison of the NSDAP with the “religious right” (whoever they are supposed to be), I will say this: to persist in this notion is childish, boorish, and wholly unwarranted. I am disgusted.
** - Federal judges have historically been interpreted as “civil officers” and subject to impeachment for failing to adhere to the “good behavior” clause in Article 3 Section 1.
Friday, May 20, 2005
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I gotta add this, man, I share in your warranted rejection of lies. This post made my afternoon.
The noting of similarities between Nazi Germany and the U.S. (or abortion and capital punishment or lust and love, etc.) is similar to pondering over an broken old pocketwatch and iced-out Rolex that still ticks beautifully. Even though twice a day, they happen to produce the same result, you still want the Rollie on your wrist.
In general, I am trying to forgive reckless ideas and stay engaged with people in order to gain glory for God. But, there does come a time to let go. Only the Spirit can tell us when to shake the dust off our sandals and move on. Until then, we gotta make a stand.
Excellent work, the_Dude. I was particularly pleased with the Clarence Thomas speech for selfish reasons. I just posted the following not more than 3 days ago:
"The problem with a liberal interpretation of the constitution is that it is by definition an interpretation defined more by opinion than a strict interpretation."
I always like it when I form an argument, then read that same argument by someone much smarter than I. It makes me feel good.
May I point out another irony in the Christian Century article? The Clarence Thomas speech which the article quoted begins as a defense of strict constitutional interpretation, it continues to describe why fortitude is required to make the judgments and write the opinions one knows to be right. The reason fortitude is required is because you will not likely meet intelligent rebuttal, instead you will encounter name-calling, character assassination, jargon, and libel. Instead of arguing values and facts we argue over who is the most like Hitler. And if all else fails, "Well... like... that's just your opinion, man."
what exactly have these judges done to violate your understanding of the constitution? i could not find this in the post.
it is clear that y'all believe that the judiciary has a liberal bias, but i have not heard anything about specific constitutional provisions which they have incorrectly interpreted.
It really baffles me to read this comment, Pepperdeaf. You found no particular mention of the numerous tyrannous "interpretations" of the judiciary because there was no intent to catalogue them here. Essentially, The_Dude eloquently declares The Christian Century article he linked to is either pure idiocy or reckless ignorance. You dig?
sorry to baffle you, but i would appreciate a catolog on a future post because clearly this post presumes a liberal judicial bias.
>>The reason fortitude is required is because you will not likely meet intelligent rebuttal, instead you will encounter name-calling, character assassination. . .<<
hey general, did you notice that this is what happened when i simply mentioned michael moore's name in a comment on my blog?
roe v wade
the latest ruling against the ban on homosexual
marriage in louisiana and nebraska
lawrence v texas struck down a law against sodomy which the court did not have the authority to strike down and provided wording that led to the louisiana and nebraska case.
the ban on the death penalty for minors based on international law and "national consensus"
In California a referendum, i believe it was, that would limit the amount of tax dollars spent on providing assistance to illegal aliens was struck down by a single judge. If it was indeed a referendum, i find it particularly ironic that one judge overturned the democratic will of the people.
i don't blame the courts for eliminating God from our nations education system, I blame us for putting the nations education system in the governments hands.
Our nations history is being rewritten or destroyed because of the courts. The secularism of the school system has eliminated most lectures and sermons from high school curriculum. "It's Martin Luther King Day, lets all read the 'I have a dream' speech... oh, wait... we can't do that... he talks too much about a Christian nation defeating racism by the grace of God." Not to mention monuments that are removed from public squares and city buildings because of religious influence. You know who else rewrote history: Stalin. You know who else tries to completely remove the evidence of a prior civilization: Islamo-fascists.
dred scott
When was the last time a law was passed that limited the freedom of religion? What congressman voted for prayer to be taken out of public schools? What bill did the president sign into law that would kick chaplains out of prisons and take Bibles out of the hands of inmates? Why can't teachers teach what they believe instead of what the state tells them they can teach?
Here are my prophecies for my lifetime:
Chaplains will be completely removed from the Armed Services as well as prisons. The guise will be the separation of church and state, the reality will be that it will be impossible for soldiers and inmates to worship in community. This move will happen through the courts.
Homosexuality will be granted the same status as race and gender, making it protected by equal opportunity laws. This will severely limit the types of organizations Christians can operate. Christians will be viewed as bigots (in a similar fashion to segregationists in the 50s and 60s), and will be prosecuted under the law.
If the Bush Administration can be compared to Nazi Germany, then the court system can be compared to the Islamo-fascists that built a mosque on the ruins of the temple, burned down dozens of churches in Serbia that are centuries old, and destroyed the remnants of the Buddhist culture in Afghanistan.
My concern with American politics only goes so far. The reason is that if persecution comes to the Christian Church (where my loyalty wholly lies), then I will join the ranks of believers underground, seeking to bring Glory to God through the perseverance of the persecuted church. The Kingdom will always reign eternal, and that is where my true citizenship lies. However, if such a time is to come, it is most likely to come first through the manipulation of the courts, then second through the legislature.
I appreciate the comment, General, good list, and your prediction is something I will pray against. But, I must still suggest that this is all a distraction from The_Dude's post.
"You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! (Matthew 23:24)
There seems to be an attempt to begin a discussion about the role of the judiciary, when this post goes far beyond such an issue. It is not uncommon for a discussion to spring from a tangent, however, in this case it seems to be foolish to disregard the analysis of this weighty post to enter into a separate and lengthy topic.
>>clearly this post presumes a liberal judicial bias.<<
I must of missed something, because I do not see any hint of this being true. Rather, it seems you are inventing something that is not relevant and that serves as a diversion.
Agreed, the validity of the post does not depend on the conservative/activist nature of justices. The post deals, basically, with manipulative argumentation, and the article is an argument for conservative interpretation of the constitution to prevent a handful of people from determining public policy.
I forgot about Terry Schiavo which was based on the right to privacy, which is also not in the constitution.
>>Suppose Congress acts and does actually remove a judge as is clearly within its powers under Article 2 Section 4 of the United States Constitution**?<<
perhaps i was wrong, but i presumed that this question implied that they would be removed because of a "liberal" interpretation of the constitution.
thanks for the list general. . . i will try to post a response to the specific case law on my blog. . . should be fun.
. . . and thanks dude for the thorough critique of the christian century article. it is always nice to spur a discussion on an entirely different blog.
your criticism of the article was well done and reasonable.
A necessary call-out, good work.
hey gents. . . i was thinking about what i was going to post with regard to liberal judges and got a little stuck on your thoughts.
what exactly is it that you think these judges are doing? is it secularlizing society? is it taking away religious freedom? or is it simply not using a strict interpretation of the constitution? maybe it's all these things.
the cases listed by the general have little to do with religion. . . does your liberal judges argument not have anything to do with religion either? help me out, so i can address your concerns.
i need some help here. . . i have been thinking about how to address your liberal judiciary claims, but i cannot figure out what your concerns are.
what exactly is it that you believe the liberal judiciary is doing? eliminating religious freedom? secularizing society? simply not using a strict construction of the constitution? lying? disagreeing with the conservative agenda? what?
the cases cited, for the most part, have nothing to do with the first amendment or religion. roe v. wade is a due process case. lawrence v. texas is a due process/equal protection case. maybe your gripes are with "fundamental rights" like the right to privacy, right to vote, right to travel, right to refuse medical treatment?
what is your main concern?
I don't know about the others, but you and I have been down a similar road already, and based off of that, I wonder what decision, if any, would a justice have to make in order to warrant an impeachment, according to your faith in the system.
please do not ignore my original question. . . what exactly is the "liberal" judiciary doing to harm us? what crime are they committing?
>>what decision, if any, would a justice have to make<<
well. . . first i presume you mean both impeachment and conviction. . . and this should only happen for "treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors." historically impeachment has occurred for subversive plots, insanity, drunkenness, perjury, cheating on taxes, bribery, treason. . .
of the 35 impeachment attempts in history, only 9 have come to trial. any of these previous reasons for impeachment would be acceptable for me.
again, do not dismiss my initial question.
Let's start with the judiciary establishing secular humanism as the official religion of the U.S.
hey general. . . i can't find any case preventing prisoners from having bibles etc. can you give me the case name or cite?
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